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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:15 pm 
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I didn't see a BoP forum and I didn't want to hijack the other thread :wink:

My question is this. Is there any plan to put out an expansion/module/version of BoP for non-moderns? WW1 or WW2? I was in Naval Aviation for 24 years, so I really get no fun out of moderns, naval or aviation. But I love non-jet age aviation warfare and would love to see an early era game with 3D maneuvering :mrgreen:


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Until Ad Astra gets something together, the Fighting Wings system is wonderful for WWII air combat (and if I'm not mistaken a partial inspiration for BoP, that is at least how I found BoP). The most recent game in the system is called Whistling Death


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Maybe you and I have different definitions of Fighting Wings, but I would consider it to be 3D.


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Quick start rules for Fighting Wings are available on Boardgamegeek, and they say the game is played in 3D, with altitude recorded on a log sheet.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/file/downl ... les3.1.pdf


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Fighting Wings is 3D in play, but does so in a way that pre-dates the PHAD/AVID, which makes a lot of odd compromises.

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If you feel that I was being snippy or holier-than-thou, I'm sorry. That was certainly not my intention.
All of the flight in the Fighting Wings system is in three dimensions.
The game doesn't come with tilt-blocks and minis (although you could play it with them)

If your definition of 3D requires that you use tilt blocks and minis or car antennas to even play the game then no, Fighting Wings isn't 3D.
If your definition of 3D just requires that the planes move in a realistic manner through a three dimensional space, then yes Fighting Wings is 3D.

The best place to get information on the Fighting Wings system is probably from their yahoo group. There is also tons of information and rules available on BoardGameGeek. And actually the first several results on Google have a wealth of information, ADCs, rule books, scenarios, reviews and more (just ignore the Anime ones :) ) Hopefully this points you toward more information without offending you.

This is a forum about Ad Astra's games, though and while I gather that the BoP people and J.D. get along very well and draw inspiration from each other, we have strayed off topic.

In my head, I've always assumed that BoP wouldn't work for WWII just because there is less engine power available to the pilot. I'm sure there are those that would be willing to disabuse me of that impression.


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You can adapt the Fighting Wings aircraft performance rules to work with the PHAD (and attendant 3D flight rules) from Birds of Prey. We've done it. You just need to figure out speed changes from altitude changes (you don't want to keep the FW model ...) and remember that one "point" roll in FW is two full PHAD-cells of roll in BoP. OK, "just" isn't the right word, because there's effort involved in coming up with workable gravity effects.


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Thanks for all the replies. I have been way behind on reading boards the last few days. I'm playing catch up...


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